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Trump Rips Off the Mask: My Conversation with Zeteo's John Harwood

A recording from Robert P. Jones and John Harwood's live video

Thank you Lolly Martyn, Emmy Cavoto-Focht, Donna Everett, Don Buckter, MLR, and many others for tuning into my live video with John Harwood! Join me for my next live video in the app.

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I’ve known John Harwood and admired his journalism for a long time. He’s covered U.S. politics and economics for news outlets like The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNBC, and CNN, and is known for his in-depth analysis and interviews with numerous presidents. In this in-depth interview, we talk about the ways in which our current sitting president and his administration dropped any pretense of their support for fascism and white supremacy. We also talk about how my latest book, The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy and a Path to a Shared American Future, traced the long history of these impulses, and the movements to resist them, in America. In the interview, I argued that the future of American democracy hinges on what we do and don’t do in 2026. Tune in above and stay tuned for future conversations—I’ll be doing more Substack live events in 2026.

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And I’m also flagging new research from PRRI, just released today. Note that you can also now subscribe to PRRI’s “Morning Buzz” newsletter directly on Substack and get breaking research delivered directly to your inbox.

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Breaking Research: Political Leaders Failing to Condemn Followers’ Violent Rhetoric Seen as Top Contributor to Political Violence
WASHINGTON (January 16, 2026) — A new national survey released today by PRRI finds that two-thirds of Americans (67%) believe political leaders’ failure to condemn violent rhetoric contributes a lot to violent actions in society. Democrats are 20 percentage points more likely than Republicans to agree that the failure of political leaders to condemn vio…
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