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MAGA's White Christian Nationalist End Game

A recording from Robert P. Jones and THE LEFT HOOK with Wajahat Ali's live video

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In this conversation, Waj and I take a deep dive on the long history of what we today describe as white Christian nationalism. That’s a good term for this impulse’s contemporary manifestation, but it is not new. It is the same spirit that embodied the Christian Doctrine of Discovery and fueled genocide toward Native Americans; the Confederacy with its claim that God would vindicate white supremacy and slavery; and the attempt to continue the Lost Cause by erecting an apartheid Jim Crow society enforced both by racist laws and the terrorism of the KKK (and explicitly Protestant Christian organization) in the wake of their defeat in the Civil War. Waj and I trace these historical vectors and talk about how they connect to the racist violence unleashed by ICE and its targeting of Black and brown people in Minnesota and across the nation. We wrap with a call to action and some suggestions for how we all might reclaim the country and stand up for the principles of pluralism and democracy.

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